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Alex · 1 year ago

I really don't get what makes the N96 worth an upgrade from the N95.

Abul · 1 year ago

I'm in agreement, I look at the N95 and look at what can be improved and then compare it with the N96 and see it doesn't do it.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

Well, do you know for a fact that the DVB-H tuner and 16GB internal memory chip combined are not large enough to necessitate the smaller battery, given the targeted volume/size of the phone?

Abul · 1 year ago

I'm not sure what you mean by "necessitate the smaller battery"?
My worry is that the 16GB internal memory is going to be slow and sluggish like the N95 8GB is, it's horrible. It's evidently clear with a screen that big and a DVB-H tuner being used at the same time a 950mAh battery isn't going to cut it. Look at the difference in Talk Time estimates alone: N85's 6.9 hours compared to the N96's 3.8 hour, and that is on GSM only.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

Lol.. read the rest of my sentense. Bigger capacity battery >> bigger battery size. The phone they wanted has certain measurements. Therefore, a bigger battery may not have fitted in those measurements. So, do you know for a fact that the 16gb memory card and the DVB-H tuner do not take up so much space that it would have been impossible to squeeze in any bigger battery?

Abul · 1 year ago

I doubt it, if they didn't think of that when in design stage, what are they doing working for Nokia? The difference between the N85 and N96 in size and battery space isn't that big. They could have solved that easily. As I say the N96 is more like a proto model, it's in the middle of nowhere at the moment. Some will like it purely for the screen size and others won't.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

What on earth are you talking about? "Battery space isn't that big"... for crying out loud, the battery is probably the largest single component in a phone. These designs are down to the tiny fractions of a millimeter. Adding even a mm into the thickness of a battery is a HUGE freaking deal. Instead of making of the cuff statements like "they could have solved it easily" one must perhaps study a bit of the industrial design, manufacturing and logistics process - it is NOT that simple, I am sure. "if they did not think of that in the design process" - think of what exactly? Think of putting in a larger battery and making the phone even bigger? Of course they did, and decided that an even bigger size was not justifiable. :D

Abul · 1 year ago

So are you telling me they thought the tiny little battery would be sufficient enough to power the DVB-H tuner, the huge screen and still work as a functional device? That they did not learn from the lessons on battery life from the N95? If this is indeed such a big impact then I would assume taking into battery performance on a HANDHELD device is a key function that needs to be considered, without it, the phone is a brick, it's dead.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

Well, the N95 family has sold about 10 units, so consumers clearly think it has sufficient battery life. Demang paging helps. Continuous optimization that all manufacturers do, helps. So battery life is perhaps not as importan to the average consumer of even N96 as you think. Second, that was not the point of your comment: you simply stated it would have been simple to put in a big battery - my point was and continues to be: how can you make such a simplictic sweeping statement without knowing the objectives and constraints given to the product?

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

Upps, 10 MILLION units that is. :)

Abul · 1 year ago

From those 10 million sold, I'll put my house on it that not one person bought the N95 for it's battery life, and after purchase 99.99% complained about the poor battery performance.
If Nokia can put in a DVB tuner into a handset, I'm sure they could put in a bigger battery if they really wanted to. But from what I can see the N9x series uses the same type of battery across the range and they are going to stick with that, irrelevant of the fact if it's acceptable or not.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

Jesus.. so they are JUST and ONLY putting a small battery because they don't care, are stupid etc.?

I am pretty sure they could not put in a bigger battery because they wanted to keep the phone with certain measurements but at the same time include the DVB tuner AND 16 GB memory AND the Micro SD slot AND the kick stand AND the good quality camera unit. It's a simple enough notion to understand.

Abul · 1 year ago

All those features except the DVB Tuner are in the N95 and N82, both are smaller and the N82 is considerably smaller and has a higher capacity battery and includes a Xenon flash. They could have done it, but they didn't, why I don't know there's no point going on about this any longer. Only Nokia knows why they didn't. I'm just saying it wouldn't be too hard to try and squeeze the same battery performance from the N82 into the N96 and thus would make it more appealing to a wider audience. Most users I know are opting for the N85 over the N96 purely because of the battery life and the OLED screen. So NOkia's flagship handset is already being skipped by a lot of those 10 million users who bought the N95.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

And Nokia KNOWS that. They know that a lot of those 10m go for N85. They know the market well enough to realise that, trust me. :)

And, N95 8GB (the closest comparable) is NOT smaller than the N96, in fact its 4CC bigger. Check your facts first, please. And N96 ADDs the DVB while keeping the micro SD slot (and adding any component adds more to the size of the phone than just the volume of the component itself as nothing can be added "skin to skin"). Futhermore, N82 is NOT a slider so you are comparing apples and oranges. We can probably agree that the slide form factor is not the most efficient in terms of pure measurements/volume as you have to add a slider mechanism to the mix, PLUS N96 has to add a double slider at that). Basically, a big reason N82 has a bigger capacity battery is because of that exactly - it has space for it as it is not a slider + they wanted to add it anyway given the higher power consumption of the Xenon flash (albeit partly compensated for by the smaller screen).

Abul · 1 year ago

If you read back on my comments, I mentioned the N95 NOT the N95 8GB - I know it's bigger, it's a brick, just like the N96.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

So, you are saying they should in addition to putting in a bigger screen, a second led lamp, DVB, 16GB internal memory, kick stand, a second set of dedicated music keys (around the D-Pad), a touch sensitive D-Pad while keeping the Micro SD card AND cutting down the size by 4CC, they should have also been able to squeeze in a larger, thicker battery, and that should have been easy and they did not do it just because they are silly and don't care etc. etc.. lol.. dude, you really are quite funny. :D

Abul · 1 year ago

A higher capacity battery doesn't necessarily mean it has to be bigger.

In the end, the N96 is going to be failure.

As I've repeatedly said, most of those features are on the N85 and it has the higher capacity battery in addition to the FM transmitter and better OLED screen. Try at least to read what I'm writing here?

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

N85 specs are clear. I have no gripe with that. What I have a problem with is you making unsubstantiated comments about how easy it would have been to add a bigger capacity batter to the N96. You still have not substantiated that stament in any form or manner.

And yes, unless there is a new generation technology becoming available, all other things equal: a bigger capacity battery is also physically bigger.

Abul · 1 year ago

The fact is Nokia could put in a bigger battery, it's not in their interest currently to do it. Their current market strategy isn't aimed at changing their plan in this regard. We can both argue about this all day long and have done for now, you can claim it's not easy, and I will claim the opposite - especially when you have a company the size of Nokia. It's possible, but for the sake of their marketing strategy it;s not going to happen.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

Ah, so instead of any facts what so ver you just decide to call it market strategy.. perhaps it's even a CIA consipary.. :D

Zylam Marex · 1 year ago

I'm gonna go for N96 anyday, i've had the N95 8GB for a while, around 9 months and somehow i never felt like it was a major upgrade from my N73, i know it sounds weird in specs, yea 5mp, wifi and gps are amazing but i never got that wow this is something really cool feeling...well being totally honest when i activated voice navigation it was cool something new...but the difference when i went from 6670 to N73 it was pretty huge and ever sence the leak of the N96 i've been in love with the design and yea its one of those like or dislike at first looks but it looks slick! the new Nseries look is great, now the N85, man what the hell is this....yea its specs are cool but why don Nokia let the N96 hit the streets before throwing it in the basement......but its good for us customers!! i bet the N96's price will drop to a good level! thats exactly why i bought the N78 just a few days ago, it had such a majot price drop in a month, the second i saw it i just could't resist and bought it......but i'm still saving up for N96 and i'll chose it over N85....thats just me, nice post man this weird issue has to be discussed!

Abul · 1 year ago

I can't say I like either devices on the looks alone, they both look ugly for me. The large screen on the N96 sure is appealing, but I know that battery is not going to let me enjoy it too much. The last thing I want after the N95 is to worry about my phone being charged when I'm out and about.
The N85 for me wins purely on the OLED screen and great battery, the look, and other features I couldn't really care about.

Zylam Marex · 1 year ago

loll yea bro i know alot of people find the new Nseries look ugly but somehow i like them yea the Screen is bigger on N96 but to tell the truth i like the regular N95 screen better than my N95 8GB the reason being the icons kinda get blurred cause the res is the same and it kinda looks weird, 2.6 is a great size and with the OLED screen the colors and all would look pretty cool, s both phones are great but i'm still going for N96 loll maybe we're compare my N96 to your N85 someday hahaha........keep chillin man!!!

Aditya Singhvi · 1 year ago

what the n96 needs is more features. I made a small list on my blog about what the N96 is missing... however that is only the tip of the iceberg, there could be many more...

check it out...

Abul · 1 year ago

If they added any more features they probably couldn't justify the size nor the battery performance. It's at it's peak as it is.

Abul · 1 year ago

@Viipottaja - Why would I need to back it up with facts? Looking at it, neither have you. I'm just stating they should and most probably could add a bigger battery, but they haven't.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

No, you stated it would have been easy, and I asked you to back it up. I don't need to back up anything as I have not started making unsustantiated comments on a blog. :) Well, I don't have one but that's another story.. :D
And you did it again "most probably could" - again, just explain to the benefit of all of us why you think they "_most probably_ could" (btw, you should say "most probably could HAVE at the time of the design of the phone") add a bigger battery in the shell of the N96, given all other specs and harware it boasts?

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

So... the battery life appears to be quite ok after all, eh:

"The battery life is much better than expected, the N96 lasted a full day of me fiddling around with power hungry activities."

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/7968_F...

Zach · 1 year ago

I've tried to stay away from this conversation but I'll throw in my $0.02 now...

AAS is a fantastic resource and Steve is as good as they come in terms of authorities on S60 but the the statement quoted above is subjective. It all relates to personal usage. What are "power hungry activities" and what is "a full day"?

If Steve is listening to music with the default player, browsing the web and using the default email client over 3G, etc he will certainly experience better battery life than someone who often streams Slingbox and internet radio over WiFi, uses SEVEN for email, Nokia Maps often for navigation, etc.

Personally, I was not impressed at all with the battery when I tested the N96. I found that it didn't even last as long as my N95 8GB which is a handset that is already bordering on unusable battery life. After about 5 hours of SEVEN email, some live video streaming, web browsing, talking, etc I was down to 3 bars on the N96 and had to use it sparingly. By the time I got home a few hours later I was getting battery low messages. Unacceptable, for my personal usage.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

It is certainly true that it depends on what exactly you do. I would submit that the average user of almost any N Series phone does not put his/her phone to as heavy use as you do.

ps. The AAS article was not written by Steve.

Viipottaja · 1 year ago

Oh and ps2: he updated and said he is very impressed by the battery life..

Foot Massager · 4 months ago

LOL! I'm having a hard time reading your conversation, Disqus must do something regarding this.

Isis · 3 months ago

Damn it's hard to read those reply conversations that Disqus offers.

Resumes · 2 months ago

Cellphones face out easily well if you buy the latest model after a month or two another model will emerge pretty fast

Jazz · 2 months ago

Processing, battery life and features have not been significantly improved since the original N95 •its very expensive compared to the alternatives.

irish pub · 4 weeks ago

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Apex Professionals · 2 weeks ago

It's evidently clear with a screen that big and a DVB-H tuner being used at the same time a 950mAh battery isn't going to cut it. Look at the difference in Talk Time estimates alone: N85's 6.9 hours compared to the N96's 3.8 hour, and that is on GSM only

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Therefore, a bigger battery may not have fitted in those measurements. So, do you know for a fact that the 16gb memory card and the DVB-H tuner do not take up so much space that it would have been impossible to squeeze in any bigger battery?

Party Bingo · 1 week ago

It's evidently clear with a screen that big and a DVB-H tuner being used at the same time a 950mAh battery isn't going to cut it. Look at the difference in Talk Time estimates alone: N85's 6.9 hours compared to the N96's 3.8 hour, and that is on GSM only.

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