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Re: Nokia Kills N96 Before It’s Born?

professionalsapex — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:43:17 -0000

It's evidently clear with a screen that big and a DVB-H tuner being used at the same time a 950mAh battery isn't going to cut it. Look at the difference in Talk Time estimates alone: N85's 6.9 hours compared to the N96's 3.8 hour, and that is on GSM only

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irish pub — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:32:12 -0000

Really Nokia Kills N96 having great feature in this cell all type of function are available in a small box, i also use it if wana to joy with Nokia Kills N96.than you can buy it.
Regards: james

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Jazz — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:53:56 -0000

Processing, battery life and features have not been significantly improved since the original N95 •its very expensive compared to the alternatives.

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mukhamo — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:36:11 -0000

Cellphones face out easily well if you buy the latest model after a month or two another model will emerge pretty fast

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francisisis — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:53:13 -0000

Damn it's hard to read those reply conversations that Disqus offers.

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francisFM — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:22:59 -0000

LOL! I'm having a hard time reading your conversation, Disqus must do something regarding this.

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Viipottaja — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:05 -0000

Oh and ps2: he updated and said he is very impressed by the battery life..

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Viipottaja — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:28:13 -0000

It is certainly true that it depends on what exactly you do. I would submit that the average user of almost any N Series phone does not put his/her phone to as heavy use as you do.

ps. The AAS article was not written by Steve.

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zacharye — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:06:26 -0000

I've tried to stay away from this conversation but I'll throw in my $0.02 now...

AAS is a fantastic resource and Steve is as good as they come in terms of authorities on S60 but the the statement quoted above is subjective. It all relates to personal usage. What are "power hungry activities" and what is "a full day"?

If Steve is listening to music with the default player, browsing the web and using the default email client over 3G, etc he will certainly experience better battery life than someone who often streams Slingbox and internet radio over WiFi, uses SEVEN for email, Nokia Maps often for navigation, etc.

Personally, I was not impressed at all with the battery when I tested the N96. I found that it didn't even last as long as my N95 8GB which is a handset that is already bordering on unusable battery life. After about 5 hours of SEVEN email, some live video streaming, web browsing, talking, etc I was down to 3 bars on the N96 and had to use it sparingly. By the time I got home a few hours later I was getting battery low messages. Unacceptable, for my personal usage.

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Viipottaja — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:29:09 -0000

So... the battery life appears to be quite ok after all, eh:

"The battery life is much better than expected, the N96 lasted a full day of me fiddling around with power hungry activities."

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/7968_F...

Re: Nokia Kills N96 Before It’s Born?

Viipottaja — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:14:22 -0000

No, you stated it would have been easy, and I asked you to back it up. I don't need to back up anything as I have not started making unsustantiated comments on a blog. :) Well, I don't have one but that's another story.. :D
And you did it again "most probably could" - again, just explain to the benefit of all of us why you think they "_most probably_ could" (btw, you should say "most probably could HAVE at the time of the design of the phone") add a bigger battery in the shell of the N96, given all other specs and harware it boasts?

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Abul — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:46:54 -0000

If they added any more features they probably couldn't justify the size nor the battery performance. It's at it's peak as it is.

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Abul — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:44:00 -0000

@Viipottaja - Why would I need to back it up with facts? Looking at it, neither have you. I'm just stating they should and most probably could add a bigger battery, but they haven't.

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Viipottaja — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:46:15 -0000

Ah, so instead of any facts what so ver you just decide to call it market strategy.. perhaps it's even a CIA consipary.. :D

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Abul — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:42:13 -0000

The fact is Nokia could put in a bigger battery, it's not in their interest currently to do it. Their current market strategy isn't aimed at changing their plan in this regard. We can both argue about this all day long and have done for now, you can claim it's not easy, and I will claim the opposite - especially when you have a company the size of Nokia. It's possible, but for the sake of their marketing strategy it;s not going to happen.

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Viipottaja — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:28:24 -0000

N85 specs are clear. I have no gripe with that. What I have a problem with is you making unsubstantiated comments about how easy it would have been to add a bigger capacity batter to the N96. You still have not substantiated that stament in any form or manner.

And yes, unless there is a new generation technology becoming available, all other things equal: a bigger capacity battery is also physically bigger.

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Abul — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:14:24 -0000

A higher capacity battery doesn't necessarily mean it has to be bigger.

In the end, the N96 is going to be failure.

As I've repeatedly said, most of those features are on the N85 and it has the higher capacity battery in addition to the FM transmitter and better OLED screen. Try at least to read what I'm writing here?

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Viipottaja — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:03:51 -0000

So, you are saying they should in addition to putting in a bigger screen, a second led lamp, DVB, 16GB internal memory, kick stand, a second set of dedicated music keys (around the D-Pad), a touch sensitive D-Pad while keeping the Micro SD card AND cutting down the size by 4CC, they should have also been able to squeeze in a larger, thicker battery, and that should have been easy and they did not do it just because they are silly and don't care etc. etc.. lol.. dude, you really are quite funny. :D

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Abul — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:04:18 -0000

If you read back on my comments, I mentioned the N95 NOT the N95 8GB - I know it's bigger, it's a brick, just like the N96.

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Viipottaja — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:24:25 -0000

And Nokia KNOWS that. They know that a lot of those 10m go for N85. They know the market well enough to realise that, trust me. :)

And, N95 8GB (the closest comparable) is NOT smaller than the N96, in fact its 4CC bigger. Check your facts first, please. And N96 ADDs the DVB while keeping the micro SD slot (and adding any component adds more to the size of the phone than just the volume of the component itself as nothing can be added "skin to skin"). Futhermore, N82 is NOT a slider so you are comparing apples and oranges. We can probably agree that the slide form factor is not the most efficient in terms of pure measurements/volume as you have to add a slider mechanism to the mix, PLUS N96 has to add a double slider at that). Basically, a big reason N82 has a bigger capacity battery is because of that exactly - it has space for it as it is not a slider + they wanted to add it anyway given the higher power consumption of the Xenon flash (albeit partly compensated for by the smaller screen).

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Abul — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:54:50 -0000

All those features except the DVB Tuner are in the N95 and N82, both are smaller and the N82 is considerably smaller and has a higher capacity battery and includes a Xenon flash. They could have done it, but they didn't, why I don't know there's no point going on about this any longer. Only Nokia knows why they didn't. I'm just saying it wouldn't be too hard to try and squeeze the same battery performance from the N82 into the N96 and thus would make it more appealing to a wider audience. Most users I know are opting for the N85 over the N96 purely because of the battery life and the OLED screen. So NOkia's flagship handset is already being skipped by a lot of those 10 million users who bought the N95.

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Viipottaja — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:16:59 -0000

Jesus.. so they are JUST and ONLY putting a small battery because they don't care, are stupid etc.?

I am pretty sure they could not put in a bigger battery because they wanted to keep the phone with certain measurements but at the same time include the DVB tuner AND 16 GB memory AND the Micro SD slot AND the kick stand AND the good quality camera unit. It's a simple enough notion to understand.

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Abul — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:03:30 -0000

From those 10 million sold, I'll put my house on it that not one person bought the N95 for it's battery life, and after purchase 99.99% complained about the poor battery performance.
If Nokia can put in a DVB tuner into a handset, I'm sure they could put in a bigger battery if they really wanted to. But from what I can see the N9x series uses the same type of battery across the range and they are going to stick with that, irrelevant of the fact if it's acceptable or not.

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Viipottaja — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:53:32 -0000

Upps, 10 MILLION units that is. :)

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Viipottaja — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:52:24 -0000

Well, the N95 family has sold about 10 units, so consumers clearly think it has sufficient battery life. Demang paging helps. Continuous optimization that all manufacturers do, helps. So battery life is perhaps not as importan to the average consumer of even N96 as you think. Second, that was not the point of your comment: you simply stated it would have been simple to put in a big battery - my point was and continues to be: how can you make such a simplictic sweeping statement without knowing the objectives and constraints given to the product?